Abbreviated transcript of Gene Tatumīs appearance
on the Rob Lorei radio show, "Radio Activity" on WMNF, out of
ROBERT LOREI: Good afternoon. This is " Radio Activity".
Iīm Robert Lorei. In the Hillsboro(sp?) County jail right now is a
man who says heīs been involved in covert operations since the mid-1970s;
that he has knowledge of drug smuggling by employees of the U.S. governement;
and that he was once assigned the task of assassinating politicl figures,
"including", he says, orders to assassinate Ross Perot in 1992.
Weīre joined now by Gene Tatum, whoīs speaking to us from
the Morgan Street jail in Hillsboro County. Gene Tatum, welcome to WMNF.
GENE TATUM: Good adternoon.
RL: Good afternoon. Was I accurante in the introduction?
GT: Yeah, I would say so. I would like to qualify the Ross Perot portion
of it. The unit that I was working with is code named "Pegasus".
By the time a mission comes to us, weīre ordered to "neutralize".
Now we can neutralize in any of three methods: trough intimidation, blackmail,
RL: Was it clear what method they were advocating?
GT: They pretty well leave it upp to us.
RL: Letīs start with the first thing: youīre in Hillsboro County
jail. Youīre awating sentencing of federal charges. What were the
GT: In 1991, I was approached by a person, who Iīd had previous dealings
with, to manage a golf course for the federal governement. I guess it had
gone into receivership and the bank had gone under, and the FDIC had taken
that property over, in Hutchin(?), Florida. I managed the property. I guess
I stayed at the property for about nine months. But through the management
portion… I think early in the program (if anyone heard "Democracy
Now"), I had to chuckle a little bit because the CEO of Bell Industries
talked about governement contracts and the difficulty in dealing with the
governement. One of the prime difficulties is getting the governement to
pay their bills on time. I was there four month and they hadnīt paid
a bill yet. So I began taking the monies out of the cash register - paying
the bills on behalf of the governement, that the governement had accrued
to small contractors, small equipment rental places and so forth, that canīt
afford to go unpaid for four months. So what I did is, I began paying them.
That was contrary to the contract, so by doing that I "defrauded the
goernement of the use of those funds" - is the way the statement was
RL: I see. So instead of sending the money back to Uncle Sam, you were
paying the local suppliers, local businesses, that your golf course relied
RL: And what about pocketing any money: were you convicted of taking anny
money for your personal use?
GT: No. We (Tatum and his wife) werenīt convicted of embezzling at
all. We were convicted of whatīs called "conspiring to embezzle".
RK: How much money are we talking about?
GT: Of "conspiring to embezzle"? Actually I ended upp paying $20,000
of my own money.
RL: I mean, how much money did you divert from cash register to local businesses?
What was the amount that you were convicted on?
GT: I think around $40,000.
RL: When does your sentencing come upp?
GT: August 28th (1996).
RL: And how much time "could" you spend in prison if your sentence
GT: My maximum sentences is 30 years.
RL: Do you feel like this (charge) was in relation for anyting that youīve
done in the past?
GT: Absolutely. In 1994 I received a phone call from Oliver North, Felix
Rodriguez and William Colby, telling me to turn over certain documents that
I had recorded yers ago - "or else," is the way it was put. I
refused to do that, knowing that turning those documents over would probably
result in the "termination" of me.
RL: "Termination" in the most extreme way?
GT: In the absolutely way.
We moved 2 tons of cocaine
RL: What were these documents that they wanted?
GT: We have (I say "we" because itīs documents held by the
flight crews who were involved in this) documents showing the movement of
cocaine, the manufacturing of cocaine, by Oliver North and a company called
"Enterprise" that he headed up. We moved, probably, about 2 tons
of cocaine out of Nicaragua and Honduras, to Panama, on board military aircraft
- being told the whole time that these were "fruits of war" that
were confiscated from the Sandinistas. (Itīs interesting that just
recently Costa Rica has issued a "persona non grata" against Oliver
North for the trafficking of cocaine. If he shows up in that country, heīll
RL: How do you know cocaine was on board? Did you actually "see"
GT: I was tasked on February 26th, 1958, to fly… I was a Special Operations
pilot out of the 160th Aviation Group, Fort Campbell, Kentucky. I was sent
to Fort Stuart, Georgia, to infiltrate the MEDEVAC unit and work directly
for my handlers, the CIA handlers, wich were Amiram Nir and Felix Rodriguez
and Oliver North. On February 26th I picked up two passengers, "Buzz"
Sawyer and Bill Cooper, and I flew them to a Contra camp, under the MEDEVAC
disguise. We had to use MEDEVAC because the Boland Amendment came out in
the mid-80s that didnīt allow the United States to participate in
any way, other than humanitarian, to support the Contras.
Under the MEDEVAC flag, we would fly many, many - hundreds of hours of -
missions: intelligence gathering, delivering arms, and so forth. On this
particular day I flew "Buzz" Sawyer and Bill Cooper. And these
are the two gentlemen who crashed in 1986 - in October of 1986 - that started
the Iran-Contra scandal. I flew them. They were arranging for air drops
of arms into Nicaragua. When we "left" the camp, we picked upp
two coolers, two large, white coolers. (These coolers are the same kind
of coolers that, by the way, I delivered to several sites in Arkansas. Large,
white coolers, the same as these, weighing about 200 pounds.)
When we landed, after we picked up these particular coolers from a Contra
camp and landed in La Mesa, Honduras, to drop off our passangers and to
give these coolers to a C-130 bound for Panama, we picked the coolers up
out of the aircraft and we dropped one and the seal came loose. The coolers
were marked "vaccine". However inside there were over 100 keys
RL: What happened to the coolers once you dropped them on the ground? Where
did the go?
GT: They got re-sealed real quick after we saw what they were. We gave them
to the C-130 pilot. I asked him what his destination was and who intended
on passing these off to. He told me that this manifest showed that the coolers
went to a "Dr. Harari" in Panama. Now "Dr. Harari" is
Mike Harari. Heīs a Moassad agent who was assigned to General Manuel
Noriegas as one of his counselors.
We have video tapes of Mr. North
RL: But the drugs were headed northward, werenīt they? From Nicaragua
to the U.S.?
GT: No, they were headed initially to Panama. From Panama they were distributed
throughout the United States and to other destinations.
RL: So you had documentation. Does that documentation still exist somewhere?
GT: It does. We also have video tapes of Mr. North and others standing in
the middle of a "cocain kitchen" while the cocaine is being packaged.
RL: And why was Mr. North there?
GT: During the Iran-Contras era there were many camps known as "the
North camps". People think that that means they were in the northern
part of Nicaragua and Honduras. Thatīs not true. Those were the camps
built by Oliver North. They were built primarily to manufacture drugs.
RL: So tell us more about these Oliver North "camps". It seems
pretty hard to imagine that Oliver North, who was a White House aide, had
the time to go down and do all this: to set up these camps and to be so
involved in what you say is cocaine smuggling when, I think it was the Kerry
Commission looked into this, and others, and nobodyīs found the hard
proof. Thereīs been some witnesses who had come forward to make these
allegations in the past. But nobody has come upp with a video tape or anything
GT: Thatīs interesting. And let me qualify that Commissions task:
those commissions were tasked with looking at the arms sale and the illegal
cover up of information on that. They were not tasked to look into drug
RL: So if these video tapes exist and if the flight records exist, why not
just release them and make them public?
GT: Because the video tapes exist showing other people, along with Mr. North.
If I were to release those tapes - the 1994 call to me threated my children.
(I have four children, who live with their mom). I will not allow that to
happen. I donīt mind exposing Mr. North, Mr. Rodriguez. Mr. Nir can
no longer be exposed because I was tasked with eliminating him in 1988.
RL: Okay, letīs talk about that. Amiram Nir is an Israeli intelligence
person. And Iīm not sure whether he worked for the governement or
not. Tell me more about Amiram Nir.
GT: He was the Prime Minister of Israelīs primary consultant on terrorism.
He was associated with Israeli intelligence. Iīm not going to say
it was Mossad. It was Israeli intelligence of some sort - because of his
And when you say "Mr. Northīs time to build these camps".
He designated that to General Alvarez of Honduras - he was the army Chief
of Staff - and to Enrique Bermudez(sp?), the commander of those North camps.
"They" actually built those camps.I think I saw Mr. North one
time in Honduras - no, twice. Iīm sorry.
RL: So in terms of "taking out"Amiram Nir, what was your role
GT: I was to fly a 4-man team to a southern Mexico town, outside of Morelia.
Mr. Nir was involved in an avocado packing plant which, I donīt know
if it did or didnīt package avocados, or packaged something else.
I was not involved in that. I "was" involved in eliminating him
before he could appear before the commissions to testify in 1989.
I flew a 4-man team in. There was a radio beacon put in, with frequency
given to us, put on Mr. Nir. We triangulated the position. The 4-man team
went to that position to eliminat Mr. Nir. However apparentley there were
two signals, and one was in an aircraft, a small aircraft. I think it was
a Cessna T-210, a small, charter aircraft.
When I fly a mission as a combat helicopter pilot, into foreign country,
we normally fly in whatīs called "the Archer Mode", wich
is an armed mode. We would fly an aircraft with full Stingers on one side
of the pod, and we would fly a, about a one-quarter to one-third charged
missiles on the right side of the aircraft, so that we could scare away
base aircraft based in the country that we were in, rather than shoot them
down. We would rather scare them away than shoot them down. Unfortunately,
this missile, the proximity missile that I fired, took down the aircraft
and killed two people on board.
He was prepared to implicate the Vice-President
RL: And one of them was Amiram Nir?
GT: Thatīs correct.
RL: The shoot-down took place at a time when the Iran-Contra scandal was
on the front pages of Americas newspapers, right?
GT: Thatīs right.
RL: So whatīs your theory about why your superiors wanted him "taken
GT: I belive that he could have provided embarrassing information about
the involvment of Mr. Harari, directly linking, probably, Israel, to the
manufacturing and trafficking of cocaine. I belive that he could implicate
the Vice-President of the United States, George Bush, in the trafficking
of cocaine. And I belive he could implicate serveral others, including Mr.
North. And I belive that he was prepared to implicate them.
RL: Who ordered you to "take out" Amiram Nir?
GT: It came through Major Rodriguez, who actually ended up being Felix Rodriguez.
Most of the orders that we would receive would come through that particular
mode. Now this, you have to understand, was after Iran-Contra. So the order
came from Rodriguez, but it was actually from George Bush.
RL: Now how do you know it was from George Bush?
GT: Because I spoke to Mr. Bush concerning it.
RL: And how did you speak to him? Did you speak to him face-to-face?
GT: Via land line.
RL: And what did he tell you?
GT: He explained to me that Mr. Nir was a threat, that he was trying to
expose the movement and the trafficking, and that needed to be "taken
out". And he told me to pick upp my Archer Team, relocate to El Salvador,
that tactical fuel (unclear) and tactical beacons would be set up. I was
to move my aircraft to those beacons for re-fueling, and eliminate Mr. Nir.
RL: Now what was your frame of mind, as…
GT: Let me qualify that: I was also told that this was an approved mission
by the Mossad and that it was primarily for the Mossad that we were doing
RL: So the Mossad viewed Amiram Nir as a renegade agent, and they wanted
him "taken out" as well.
GT: Thatīs the understanding that was given to me, yes.
RL: What was your frame of mind? Did you have any compunction about carrying
out the killing if people?
GT: No. Let me qualify how many people Iīve had to kill in my life:
within 5 feet of me, probably about 30; within 200 feet, about 80, and beyond
that, I donīt know, because - probably thousands, with missiles and
RL: So you were pretty gung-ho, U.S. Military.
RL: I mean, you followed orders. And when somebody said, "Do this",
you did it. Because you belive in your country and you belived in what your
leaders were telling you.
GT: Thatīs correct.
RL: Letīs back up for just a moment, and talk about the very first
covert operation that you say you were involved in. You were involved in
Southeast Asia, in a covert operation, during the Vietnamn War. Tell us
about that covert operation.
(CN as was behind this transcript in a note: Tatum told how he
joined the Air Force in the late ī60s/70sī, was trained as an
traffic controller, and went on to advanced schooling: Army jump school;
escape and evasion school, with jungle training; sea survival school; diving
school. He said he was sent to temporary duty into Thailand to help set
up a communications center. Task Force Alpha, a large intelligence force,
was also there. Tatum said he was then "voluntered" into an assignment
which apparently is how he got involved with covert operations. From there,
according to Tatum, he worked with succesive White House administrations.)
GT: Our missions in "Pegasus" was to align foreign leaders,
foreign financiers, and foreign countries with the policies of the United
States, using first diplomacy. If diplomacy did not work, then it was turned
over to the Pegasus unit to work in one of the three arenas that we were
professionals at working at. (CN: i.e., blackmail, intimidation, and murder).
RL: Letīs talk about this "Operation Pegasus". How old is
GT: Iīm told, by various intelligence sources around the world, that
Pegasus is an operation thatīs been in place since probably the ī50s.
It was originally designed to spy on spies. In other words, to look at the
CIA and the National Security Agency to see who is loyal, who is doing what.
(CN: Tatumīs info on Pegasus is corroborated by Trenton Parker, who
appared on Tom Valentineīs "Radio Free America" show 1993.
Parker has talked about this "Pegasus" unit, saying that it was
secretly set up by Harry Truman to keep an eye on the CIA). And that "was"
a portion of Pegasusīs duties; there was a section… "My"
duties included simply flying - "fancy taxi driver", I should
put it, sometimes armed.
RL: Letīs talk about some of the other people that you say youīve
killed. You say you were ordered to assassinate several people. We talked
about Amiram Nir. You say you were ordered to assassinate the president
of a Third World country. Who was that?
RL: Okay, neutralize. Iīm sorry.
GT: We chose intimidation in that. In 1989, the United States was working
in the Nicaraquan arena very heavily, to get free elections in place. Daniel
Ortega would not allow the free elections. After the negotiations and the
diplomacy failed, Ortega was given to us. We decided that we would try to
align him. Because of his position it would be a little too much to go in
and assassinate him. The way we decided to align him is, we chose a second
cousin of Mr. Ortega. Our diplomates went to Mr. Ortega. We told him that
we intended on assassinating that cousin. We told him on what "day"
we would assassinate that cousin and "how" we would assassinate
that cousin, and told him to protect him as best he could - īcause
he would be next. On that day, in that mode, we assassinated his cousin.
RL: What was the name of this person?
GT: I have no idea. I only flew the 4-man team in.
RL: How was the assassination accomplished?
GT: Rocket fire. In the home.
RL: In what way? Was that in Managua?
GT: Outside of Managua.
RL: And how did you determine that this person… Did somebody tell you
that this person would be the way to get to Daniel Ortega?
GT: We carry information files. Another part of what Pegasus has done through
the years is, theyīve also spied om political leaders and financiers
around the world. And thereīs huge database on everyone. If, during
our active time, a member of Pegasus was intimidated or placed before a
Senate committee or something like that, they could simply pull out this
file and intimidate that politician into backing off. And that "was"
RL: Iīm wondering, as you tell this: Could you prove to anybody that
you were actually involved in this assassination of the cousin of Ortega?
Do you have anything physical that you could bring to the world, to say:
"Hereīs my proof that we did it?"
GT: Other than a few photographs, no.
RL: I guess this sounds pretty amazing. But also, I think that itīs
hard to document. If we were to say, "Gene Tatum: "How could you
prove to us that you actually were flying along and ītook outīAmiram
Nir? Is there any way you could prove that?
I started planning
GT: Yes. In 1958, after finding what I did on my aircraft on that February
26th mission, and 50 or so missions after that, I had decided to start planning
for my retirement.
And I understood what happened to most "assets" after they became
a liability. So I started planning, and documenting. In addition to the
planning and documenting, my flight crews would carry small video cameras.
The medic would carry a video camera in his medic bag on many occasions.
My crew chief would video any air attacks that we hade accomplished. So
yes, we have some proof.
RL: So youīve got video tapes of that.
RL: In 1992, you were still involved with Pegasus, you hadnīt left
that operation by then, and you were ordered to neutralize Ross Perot. Is
GT: At a meeting in southeast Florida, at the home of a prominent political
leader (and I choose not to use his name at this time), that political leader
tasked me with eliminating the leader of a new party which, in his own words,
"could tear apart the Constitution of the United States".
RL: Why wonīt you tell us the name of this political leader?
GT: Because itīs not worth what repercussions can come back on my
family, to involve him. Heīs bigger than the President, belive it
RL: Heīs bigger than the President. Who could be bigger than the President?
GT: Thereīs several people in this country who are bigger than the
President, Rob. And I would rather not delve into that section of it right
RL: Okay. So what was your understanding that you should do about Ross Perot
when you get this order? And why would you take orders from this person
if this person was not part of the … Was this person part of the government
GT: Yes, he was.
RL: What was your understanding that you ought to do, in regard to Ross
GT: We were told to neutralize him. But I belive that, there again, having
the ability to choose how we would do that. One way we worked in the past
was by blackmail. And had I gone forward with it (however I didnīt),
I probably would have used that method. We used a drug, made in Columbia
(let me see if I can remember the name of it), "Escopalamina"
(sp?). They call it "the voodo drug", which puts a person completely
under your control. I mean "completely" under your control. You
can have them do anything that you would want them to do. You could video
tape the actions of that person, and then you could hold that video tape
as blackmail against them. And they would never remember what they did or
who had them under their control. Itīs a very powerful drug and we
used it on serveral occasions.
RL: And tell me about one of those occasions. How was it used?
GT: One of the people we used that drug on was… Gee. He was one of
the Contra leaders… I think his name was Adolfo Calero (sp?). We used
it on him to keep him in line, because he wanted… Enrique Bermudez,
along with Adolfo Calero, wanted political positions in Nicaragua when the
Chamorro government took itīs place, replacing Ortega. Bermudez we
couldnīt align. So we eliminated him.
RL: You mean "you" were responsible for his killing.
GT: Thatīs correct. I didnīt directly. A 4-man team was flown
in, outside Managua, and killed him. However Calero we were able to blackmail,
using this drug. We took Calero. We put him in a hotel room with another
man. We put them into (sex) acts together, and filmed it. Now they have
a high-ranking official in the Chamorro Nicaraguan government under their
RL: You have been handed lots of assignments over the years and you always
took part in them - including the killing of people. But this assignment,
to netralize Ross Perot, you backed away from and you quit Pegasus. Why?
GT: In 1989 I backed away from my first assignment to "take someone
RL: What was the assignment?
GT: That was an assignment to "take out" a man who helped fund
some of the Nicaraguan aircraft, a man by the name William Kennedy, whoīs
now in Lompaw(?) Prison. I will not participate in assassinations of any
sort, character assassination or anything, of Amercian citizens. That, to
me, is not furthering the cause of America.
(Tatum then discussed a video tape). It shows other political leaders involved,
and financial leaders from the world. Itīs a video tape of particular
meetings, where assignments were given, including assignments against that
(sic) financial leaders. And I wonīt give you the names of those,
but itīs enough to keep anyone alive that "I" want to keep
RL: So can you tell us whether or not George Bush or anybody of that stature
is in these video tapes?
GT: Yes, he is.
RL: When you told these folks that you werenīt going to carry out
this mission against Ross Perot, what was their response?
GT: Director Colby told me that you canīt just walk away from black
operations. Thatīs when I pulled the tapes out of my briefcase and
I said: "I understand that, Mr. Colby. However, Iīm walking away."
And I gave him a copy of the tapes and told him what the repercussions would
RL: Did you contact Ross Perot, subsequent to your quitting Pegasus?
GT: Yes, Mr. Perot was advised. As a matter of fact, two weeks ago, I interviewed
with Texas News ( I think thatīs CBS out of Dallas) concerning a copy
of the letter, that they hade been able to get from the Perot people.
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RL: And what did Mr. Perot have to say about what you told him? About this
effort to neutralize him?
GT: I belive that he went public with that, in 1992. He made the alligation,
to the public, that this was happening. I think a lot of people pooh-poohed
it. But he was serious.
RL: I think a lot of people were skeptical. Did you contact Ross Perot in
RL: And you told him that there was going to be this effort to neutralize
RL: Do you have any proof that people told you to neutralize Ross Perot?
Do you have any video or were there any written orders?
GT: We have a tape. A cassette tape.
End of interview and the transcription.
But not the story about Gene Tatum. When he resigned his OSG/Pegasus
command, he had volunteered to plead guilty on a felony charge in order
to discredit himself. This was part of Tatums startegy of survival, as he
was aware that one didnīt resign this particular team and remain alive
for long. The fact that he had collected a body of evidence (including video
and audio tapes and other related documentation) as "life insurance"
- deposed in six countries - gave muscle to his negotiation. At the time
he had not planned to reveal any of the details that he has now provided.
In the event, his offer was taken up and he served a prison sentence of
just one year. However, having served his sentence-thus complying with his
part of the agreement-both Tatum and his wife Nancy were subsequently arrested
and charged with another misdemenour. Tatum got angry. He started to publish
much of his story in two books, "The Tatum Cronicles".
We publish this story on Leopold Report because we belive that Mr
Tatum has the key to the Palmemurder. He and his wife are disappeard from
there home in Florida since two years. Anyone who knows a possible way to
get incontact with Gene Tatum, please mail us!
Editor of Leopold Report
To the Ross Perot letter
Tatumīs warning-letter to|
ApriL 2, 1996
Mr. Ross Perot
12377 Merit Drive, Suite 1700
Dallas, Texas 75251
Dear Mr. Perot:
As you prepare your part for the 1996 election, there is a matter of grave
importance of which you should be aware.
In 1992, as the commander of a Black Operations Unit called Pegasus, I was
ordered to neutralize you. Our unit was directed by President George Bush.
It was determined, at some point, that the party you formed was counter
to the American system of democracy. In his attempt to justify your neutralization,
Mr. Bush expressed not only his concerns of the existence of your party
and the threat which you posed to free America, but also the positions of
other U.S. and world leaders.
I had been associated with Pegasus since its creation in 1985. The original
mission of our unit was to align world leaders and financiers with the United
States. I was personally responsible for the naturalization of one Mossad
agent, an army Chief of Staff of a foreign government, a rebel leader and
the president of a foreign government.
However, all of these missions were directed toward enemies of the United
States as determined by our President. And because of this, I did not hesitate
to successfully neutralize these enemies.
The order to neutralize you, however, went against all that I believed in.
It was obvious to me that his order was predicated on a desire to remain
as President rather than a matter of enemy alignment. I refused the order.
I further advised the President and others that if you or members of your
organization or family were threatened or harmed in any way, I would cause
information, which includes certain documents, to be disseminated from their
six location in various areas of the world, to various media and political
destinations. I walked away from Special Operations that day with the knowledge
that you don't just quit! I felt, however, that the time capsules protected
In September of 1994, I received a telephone call demanding the information
"or else"! It was obvious from the day that I walked out of Pegasus
that to turn this information over would be terminal. In the spring of 1995,
I was arrested by the FBI for wire fraud. Although innocent of the allegations,
I found it necessary to plead guilty in an attempt to tarnish my credibility.
It was my opinion, as I expressed it to Rodriguez when he called and threatened
me, that if I were of questionable credibility, the documents, if ever made
public, may not stand on their merits.
With this arrest, I seized upon the opportunity to effect this theory. I
have since been indicted on a second fraud charge, this time involving my
wife. I will not allow this prosecution of my family. I have notified the
authorities that I intend to put my case to a jury. While awaiting the trial,
I wrote a book involving my first experience in the Special Operations arena.
Since then, I have found that the U.S. Marshals have instructed the Hillsborough
County jail to hold me, regardless of the outcome of the instant trial charge.
The new charge is treason. For over twenty years I have dedicated my skills,
time, and health to my country. I have been shot, tortured, and beaten,
fighting to protect our right to form and run our government as determined
by the Constitution. I am not aware of an active Pegasus unit. I had assumed
it was disbanded with the new President. I am suspect to the existence of
some organization, however due to my present situation. Someone had to orchestrate
this. So, be aware and alert!
Good luck and good fortune in 1996.
Dois Gene Tatum
1301 N. Morgan St.
Tampa, Florida 33062